Rene: Welcome to Earshifter. He's Sean Capstick, 

Sean: and he's Rene Rouleau and Rene. Why are we here? 

Rene: Sean? We are here for two reasons. One, hopefully introduce you to a band that we feel was either overlooked or undervalued in some way or two, Hey, you like this band? Guess what? You're gonna hear a whole bunch more about this band and FYI.

If you wanna hear even more about this particular band, you could listen to the episode just before this. 

Sean: Yeah, so hopefully all of our listeners will now love the band because they've listened to. Her first three albums and now we get to talk about the next albums. So we're talking about waxahatchee and we are into her wild wall, [00:01:00] shaking whirlwind of guitar oriented rock, as well as the embrace of her alt country.

Wood smoked whiskey, warm and wild heart warble. How about that Now if you're, that's 

Rene: a of alliteration Dub Dub 

Sean: dub dub, which is one of my favorite literary devices. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am. The W just gives so much, doesn't it? 

Rene: It was wonderful. 

Sean: So you're so nice. Yeah, so where did we leave? We left off with those three melancholy heartfelt songs and we are now in 2017, right?

Rene: Yeah. And that last album was starting to lean into some like la loose, some positivity, some energy driven songs versus the beautiful, sad songs. And they're both great, by the way. 

Sean: Yes. So what's happening in her life in. 2017. Do you, you've got [00:02:00] the little bit of the background in terms of her love life.

Rene: Yeah. So I believe, I believe that the next album you're gonna be talking about what a lot of the themes are, are because she just got out of a relationship question mark. 

Sean: Yeah. And so now she's dating Kevin Morby, right. Who you like Yeah. You, you have, have tried to ear shift me on Kevin. More be a few times, times successfully or no.

Successfully? Yes. Yes and no. Right. Okay. Like, I like him, I like him a little bit. I saw him at, at one of those will, thats fest festivals. But no, not like you did for Waxahatchee when you introduced Waxahatchee. Right. Yeah. Fair 

Rene: enough. 

Sean: So the other thing that's is she's starting to get sober. 

Rene: Yes, that's right.

Yes. 

Sean: She's coming out of that melancholy phase with Ivy Tripp, and now she's moving into a album called Out in the Storm. And so this. She has said is her rock record. 

Rene: It feels [00:03:00] like her rock record. 

Sean: And so the old boyfriend who was in swearing is out. She's got a new band that she was touring with.

And now this, she's taken them into the studio and she. Starts to work with this producer called John Jello. 

Rene: Yep. 

Sean: So do you know anything about John? Did you do anything on that? 

Rene: Yeah, a little bit. I think. Did he do dinosaur Jr, or no? Yes, he did. Right? Yeah. 

Sean: He, so he's an interesting producer. He was a sound engineer first.

He was in the room for a little bit while, and born in the USA are born to run one of those very different albums, buddy. And so he's old, right? He's around for a little while. Like the, the, you know, like I, I didn't focus in on that. 'cause when you Google him, it's like, and worked with Springsteen, but he was like just in the studio for a little bit.

Rene: Right, right, right. 

Sean: And he was in the studio with some of the, the other, seventies. Albums, but then he was on the [00:04:00] scene when Dinosaur Jr. Broke out. He's produced a lot of albums since then. And it's really kind of interesting to see the range of the albums that he's done. So if I scroll back on his page Yeah.

He, where have you been? Great. Dinosaur Jr. Album, mark Langren, who was screaming Trees, I believe. Oh yeah. Screaming Trees. 

Rene: Yeah. That was 

Sean: one of uh, his albums that he produced. He produced the last album by Sonic Youth. Which I can't remember which one it is now. Yeah. You know, again, you're, that's just so typical, Renee.

Once they become passe, you just stop listening to them. Yeah. Um, he's produced, I think most of the dinosaur junior albums. Hmm. And inexplicably. Remember Buffalo Tom? 

Rene: I love Buffalo Tom. 

Sean: So he's produced no Buffalo Tom albums that I know of. So when Buffalo Tom were the next big thing, 

Rene: yeah. 

Sean: So when they were the [00:05:00] last next big thing, I guess he started to produce them.

It's made me again, you know, we've got, uh, which 

Rene: album? Do you know which albums he produced? 

Sean: Um, sleepy Eyed. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: Do you like know that one? 

Rene: Yep. 

Sean: Okay. So I don't, I can't recall sleepy eyed which other ones did he, uh, drive by Truckers, just as I scroll through this. Okay. Which is a big influence in that whole scene that, that we're talking about.

Rene: Yeah. I still love Buffalo Tom, by the way. 

Sean: I, those first couple albums were so great. Yeah. Yeah. 

So jangly, so innocent, so nice. Buffalo Tom. Quiet and peace. 

Rene: Oh, I'm not sure. I'd have 

Sean: 2018. 

Rene: Oh, that's recent. Yeah. 

Sean: So this was, you know, we 

Rene: should see them if they tour again just for fun. 

Sean: I would love to.

I hope they're so as innocent as they yeah, back in the day. 

Rene: Yeah.

Sean: Interesting with the whole WAXIE, Spencer Tweedy playing at the Wilco Festival. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: He, John, he's the drummer, right? John Anello. Spencer Tweedy [00:06:00] Is is drummed with 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: Waxie. Waxs Band. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: But this producer produced the Auntie WJ Ferra and Sun Volt.

Oh. So he's done a whole bunch of Sun Volt albums as well. Right. Okay. Okay. So again, Wilco another great W band. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: They were formed out of Uncle Tupelo, a great T country band. Yep. See, you're a little bit T Country. 

Rene: Oh, I am. I, I, dude, I am a hundred percent. 

Sean: And so Jay Ferra. Basically said, that's it.

I quit the band. Oh yeah. There was some 

Rene: trouble. 

Sean: And everybody thought Jay was the genius in in Uncle Tupelo. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: And I think. Jeff Tweedy, proved everybody wrong to say that he was just a flash in the pan. But yeah, he's produced a whole bunch of Sunbelts as well. And what I'm really interested in digging in, 'cause I've seen some of these dream syndicate albums, the Dream Syndicate and Totally Ear Shifter Band, heavily influenced [00:07:00] by the Velvet Underground Great Paisley underground revival.

In the eighties, he produced a 2019 album that I have missed. And then 2020 album, which I really liked called Universal Inside. So I've gotta check out this producer a little bit more. But Katie sought him out to produce this next rock record, 

Rene: right? 

Sean: And it is a rock record. 

Rene: It is a rock record for sure.

Sean: And you have difficulty with this, I wouldn't say you just don't get the change. Is it because you don't want her to change or you just, you know, you listened to the album and it's like a, 

Rene: And I feel bad saying this because I'm such a fan, but this album for me. Just for me opinion of one. It was so rock and roll that it actually just sounded like everything to me, which means it kind of sounded like nothing to me.

Which sounds harsh and I don't wanna be harsh. But I literally said why is this album so, [00:08:00] because it really is. 'cause even following this album, there's this album is a outlier. It's the only one that is so rock and roll heavy. Mm-hmm. Right? And I'm like, why is this album like this? And I just, and I actually, my answer was the producer.

Perhaps right now. I, I do want to couch this with, there are two songs on this album I do like, one is called Recite Remorse and that's probably my fave on this one. And I'm not alone. It's a good one. It's actually the most listened to song Yes. On the album. Yes. Yep. And then the other one is called A Little More, and the thing about a little more, Sean, is it is a throwback to those first couple albums.

It could have fit on Ivy Trip or maybe even ceri in Salt. It's, it's just a nice, pretty sad song. So those are the only two I liked. 

Sean: Okay. So I flagged recite remorse because lyrically it's still in a dark place. She's, you [00:09:00] know, the, the, and you know, even the title, right? You know. But then there's a song like Silver, the one right before it on the album tracks, which is a wonderfully poppy, nice rock song.

So maybe we can hear both, but let's just pick one. Yeah. Because I wanna play the, the other albums a lot. Yeah. So let's hear the, the. For people who really liked the last episode, dig into remorse for the people who have been going. Renee's not just a little melancholy, I've listened to those first three albums.

Then let's play Silver 'cause I think this is for you. Other listeners who want a little more rocky sound. And opening up into, this isn't alt country yet, but this is a she's changing her voice. She's finding a much louder voice in this song. 

Rene: Okay, let's give a listen.[00:10:00] 

Okay, so look, I don't dislike that song. I actually think it is kind of uplifting little bit of [00:11:00] energy. It just doesn't grab me as much as some of our other songs, but I, I don't dislike it. 

Sean: So I think it's a great poppy rock song. There's a lot of songs on this album that are. Very well crafted, well produced rock songs, and I think that's what she wanted to do.

Right when she was doing the press around this album, she said I wanted to make a rock record. I, I felt that I'd moved past my lo-fi beginnings. I wanted to be, be in a band. She'd been playing with the band and, she sought out this sound and I think she did a great job. With this sound.

Rene: Yeah, 

Sean: but she's, if there's one thing that she is, she's not standing still, 

Rene: right? No. No, she is not. 

Sean: 2020 saw the release of St. Cloud, so now she is moved to Brad Cook, the producer, and [00:12:00] for. Those who have, listened to the MJ Lenderman episode, Brad is in snow caps. Brad produced the next Record.

We're gonna, the next two records we're gonna talk about and really. I think is responsible for really filling out the waxahatchee sound. So St. Cloud, she's sitting on the top of a F-150, an old classic F-150. Nice. It's filled with roses. She's now totally a embracing the out country roots, her southern.

Accent comes out in her singing. Yeah, 

Rene: I love that. 

Sean: And she embraces the out country. So, and did you know, so St. Cloud came out and then there's St. Cloud plus three. So do you know what the plus three songs are? 

Rene: No, 

Sean: there is light. Of a clear blue morning. Now you just toured her theme park. 

Rene: Oh, Dolly Parton.

Sean: Yeah. So do, do you guys didn't listen to that song while you were there? When, when you hear it, [00:13:00] I won't play it here, but it's, it's like she's singing Dolly Parton and you go, oh, that's a Dolly Parton song, but 

Rene: wow. 

Sean: Waxie singing Dolly Parton. 

Rene: Wow. Cool. 

Sean: There's a song called Streets of Philadelphia by, oh, I've heard some guy named Springsteen.

Yeah, 

Rene: yeah, yeah. I and by the way, I, I love that song. I know it's very popular, but I do love that Springsteen song. And, 

Sean: and have you heard, um, no, I haven't. Okay. Well, I'm intrigued. Again, you've gotta do your, uh, research or so. We'll get to maybe one of the original songs on this, but she said when she was recording this, she was channeling her own Lucinda Williams.

Rene: Hmm. Interesting. 

Sean: Lucinda Williams and all country mainstay you know, can't say enough good things about Lucinda Williams. I saw her a couple times once at the Wilco Fest. Yeah. Great. Songwriter. So let's hear her cover of fruits of my labor. 

Rene: Alright, let's hear that 

clip: Mer.[00:14:00] 

Trying to enjoy all.

I've been crying for you. Boy. Oh, the truth is my savior,

baby. Sweet baby. It's all the take the glory.[00:15:00] 

Sean: So I think that is such a nicely done cover of a great song now, a sad song, but sad in the way that doesn't. Tug your heartstrings. Not, 

Rene: not as much. But let me ask you this though. Did she do the cover true to Lucinda Williams or did she make it her own? Because that's always a thing for me. 

Sean: It is reverential, but she's made it her own.

Oh, good. Good, good, good. So, their voices are very different to, you know, okay. 

Rene: Naturally 

Sean: decades apart in terms of age and, you know. Yeah. I think it's an, it's a very. And it sets, I think, although that was on a bonus version, it didn't come out on the original version, but I think really kind of set the tone for this album.

And I know that, the storm record didn't turn you on and it took you a little while to get into this one. And I think that she's. Her positivity is [00:16:00] coming through here a lot more. Right? Yeah. Although Lucinda Williams is a, again, she sings about blues, sad blues, yeah. Things. You know, this album is much more upbeat, both.

Feels and in the way that she writes, but maybe this, this could be a debate if we hear, why don't we go? Can't do much. Yeah. Because I think those lyrics are debatable about how happy she's 

Rene: Oh, I see. But totally, 

Sean: Totally. Yeah. 

Rene: So great. The 

Sean: feels is there for you. 

Rene: Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent.

And does remind me again, a bit of IV trip, which was leaning into, it's almost like out in a storm, was this. Unusual exploration, which all artists should do. And then she kind of went. If that makes sense. A little bit back, but with a new lens to going back to Ivy Drip. 

Sean: I think she's moved. I, she used Ivy Trip as a bass and then just broadened her sound so much.

I think that, 

Rene: yeah, 

Sean: the, okay. Let's go back to the lyrics. Let's hear it and then we can discuss it based on lyrics 

Rene: [00:17:00] deal. We're too excited. 

clip: I

Do you see something wild that you think you'll never be something that you. Something versatile, fill

love.[00:18:00] 

I guess it don't matter what. 

Sean: Okay, so let me go back to the lyrics and you can talk about the feels. So, this is on a biography. First person at least, she's singing to a real person, not like a, an imagined person, not a, a ghost of a person. And, she's now saying she's something versatile to fill all of this person's needs that she'll give it to them.

And you know, no holding back. And the chorus is, I love you till the day. I love you till the day that I die. Which is little melancholy, but you know, a promise kind sweet. A promise sweet. Yeah. And then I think it's, then she's like, I guess it don't matter why now she's. Gone beyond trying to explore all of her feelings and the reasons for her feelings in her bedroom.

And now she's rocking alt country [00:19:00] saying, I love you and it doesn't matter why I'm just telling you how I feel. Yeah. I think that's a great evolution. 

Rene: I like that. I like that. Very good. Approved. Approved. 

Sean: Okay. So St. Cloud's going back up on Renee's yeah, uh, 

Rene: walk. It really did. 

Sean: Um. 

Rene: Yeah I think, uh, I think I, I didn't give it a fair shot the first time I think out in the storm just rubbed me a little bit the wrong way.

And but now I've rediscovered St. Cloud and yeah. It's, it's a good album. 

Sean: Yeah. 

Rene: A good, it's a great, 

Sean: and this must have been probably around the time you said you should really listen to Waxahatchee. 'cause I listened to these ones, right? You know, I didn't go back as much. Oh. Because, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't there on your Oh, eMusic exploration.

That's of the bedroom tapes, 

Rene: by the way, that Con 2014 concert, I went by myself. Yeah. I actually went by myself. That's how motivated I was. Waxahatchee Katie. That's how motivated I was. I went by myself to that concert 'cause I wanted to see her [00:20:00] perform. Band of Horses. The only other band I've done that with.

Sean: There you go. 

Rene: Oh, and Sloane, weirdly enough, in my twenties. So random. So 

Sean: random. Sequitur. Okay. Sloane. 

Rene: Yeah, 

Sean: like Sloan, back in the day, I don't know if I'd have gone by myself. 

Rene: I know I was 25 and all of a sudden I was giving kids like boost to crowd surf 

Sean: and I'm like, he said, thanks old man. 

Rene: Yeah. Like I was 25.

Jesus Christ. Alright. 

Sean: Okay, so now the next album is a collaboration album. So she's still with Brad Cook, the producer, but she's done a record with Jess Williamson. Now, I didn't look up Jess a lot. She's a country artist. Okay? So she's not alt country. She's, you know, 

Rene: pure country. 

Sean: Pure country.

Which. You know, again, old timey country, you know, country's hard now because it's been just, it used to every country song was good 'cause it was heartfelt and it wasn't [00:21:00] commercialized. Now there's a whole bunch, I think of commercial country that I don't like.

Yeah. But the alt country, the old timey country, I've got a soft spot for it. So this album is kind of country? 

Rene: Yeah. In a good way. In the best 

Sean: way. Okay. So you like the, you know. Yes. Yes. 

Rene: A hundred percent. 

Sean: And again, in the evolutionary, thought process like problem with it is the hit song off this oh 

Rene: yeah, I 

Sean: love 

Rene: that 

Sean: one.

I got a problem. Yeah, that's great. And you know, that's where she's like, if you're, if that's all you have and you say it's enough, I got a problem with it. Right. You know, so it's like now she's empowered, she's saying, you know, she's not. Thinking about stuff she should have said in the bathtub.

She's saying that's it, right? 

Rene: Yeah, true. So, wow, that's a really interest. That's really interesting. 'cause she's gaining her confidence internally, but she's also gaining her confidence. Metaphorically through her lyrics. 

Sean: So that's a great song. And another great song on there is Hurricane 

Rene: Love [00:22:00] Hurricane.

Sean: It's a great uplifting, powerful song that Katie is doing by herself. Where I saw her when the last time I saw her, she played hurricane cover and it was a great 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: Song. Yeah. So 

Rene: let's 

Sean: hear. Hurricane, 

Rene: when I was with your wife at Ji, she played Hurricane as well. Yeah. Amazing song. Oh my God. And that's how it actually introduced me to.

That album. So yeah, great song. Let's hear it. 

clip: You stand in the great wide open. Try to hear yourself.

I can you out. Out with some

Aon.

As honey when you,[00:23:00] 

I.

Rene: Alright. I love that song. Like, I love that song. It actually does give me goosebumps, especially in the chorus. Uh, just amazing, powerful, lovely. 

Sean: It's a nice song and I would throw out an honorable mention on this record. I think it's a Jess Williams song but. One of the songs, no. Record of Wrongs is a great love song.

[00:24:00] And I'll get the line wrong about it, but she's talking about love and how it doesn't, uh, you know, it's not easy, but the true definition of love is when you have no. A cigarette in a potted plant, empty bottles, open hands, and no records of wrong. So you're not complaining about the cigarette in the potted plant.

You're not complaining about anything. There's no records of wrongs. It's a nice little love song on this record as well. 

Rene: Nice. 

Sean: Okay, so then we come to the last full. Waxahatchee album, Tiger's Blood, 

Rene: love this album. 

Sean: Okay, so you're, you're. Pro alt country. I You're alt country too. We 

Rene: have had this discussion.

What shirt am I wearing right now? 

Sean: Band of horses. 

Rene: Is that roughly just a, occasionally a little bit alt [00:25:00] country. 

Sean: But then you don't like him when they veer. Go listen to her episode. When it's too country. Renee's like a Yeah. You know? 

Rene: Yes, that's true. One song. One song on the second album. Yes. 

Sean: Okay. So what do you wanna say about tiger's blood. It's, 

Rene: It's funny because, uh, we, we've hinted at this, but, um, I wasn't gonna go see Waxahatchee, uh, last time she came. Uh, and that was largely because I hadn't really dug into Tiger's blood. Then I did. And it was too late to buy tickets. And then your lovely wife said, Hey, Renee, I got an extra ticket.

And I'm like, ah, yes, please. So, yeah, so I, I love Tiger's blood and it inspired me to go see her again after 11 years. 

Sean: And so I saw her touring Tiger's blood at this Wilco festival and yeah, it's, it's a great show. She is in command and it's up. Powerful record and for listeners who are listening [00:26:00] to two episodes, again, MJ Lenderman is a big collaborator on this record.

Yep. And it, I think it makes a big difference. It's a really more. Full song and she's singing about, she's taking more, much more control in terms of the lyrics. Right. So you mentioned in the last episode about 365. 

Rene: Yeah. Yeah. 

Sean: Uh, maybe we should hear that 

Rene: all. Let's listen to. 365, then let's go. 

clip: 365 days, tell me you are a wounded soldier.

You ain't had much luck for graces in the eye, the beholder. I have my own ideas, but I carried you on my shoulders anyways. Hoo. And now stop picking up by your [00:27:00] phone calls. Take a shot at Decency if I hurt your voice. On the other line, on Ceremonious, the Shadows of Alive, the state of emergency, I've been run down.

I catch your poison arrow. I catch your same disease.

Rene: Okay, love that song. And I just remembered the end of that song. I'm pretty sure. The last few notes are an homage to a carpenter song. Called. We've only just begun. And if it's not, then wow, I'm way off. But I'm pretty sure she's purposefully kind of homing that song 'cause it's, it's just so obvious to me.

Anyway. 

Sean: [00:28:00] Okay, well I'll take your word for it. Right on. Even though I do remember the title, we've only just begun from The Carpenter Show. Yeah. Okay. But we won't go there. You mentioned. MJ Lenderman. Yes. He does sing on Right Back to It, 

Rene: right? Yeah. Yeah. 

Sean: Yeah. So that's a great song. That's a 

Rene: great song.

Sean: Do you wanna hear that one too? 

Rene: Yeah, let's 

Sean: do it. Okay.

clip: Like a song

right?[00:29:00] 

Sean: Okay. So another great song off the record. Right? 

Rene: Absolutely. 

Sean: And there's so many other good songs 

Rene: Absolutely. 

Sean: On this record. I think it's a, if you were going to jump into wax Waxie, I 

Rene: think 

Sean: that's a good place. I would say this is a one, yeah. Yep. I would say I agree. It's. It's what she's doing now, and it does contain elements of.

All of her career. 

Rene: I 

Sean: agree to, to a, you know, like to more or less extent. Yeah. Like, it's a great album. 

Rene: Yeah. And even like, if she does songs that, you know, might harken back to those first two albums, they're richer in sound. They're more confident, like you were [00:30:00] mentioning. Yeah, I'd, I'd say if you're gonna listen to one Waza Hachi album, this would be the one to listen to.

For me, Ivy Trip is still my all time favorite, but that might have some sentimental attachment to it for me as well. 

Sean: Yeah. So we can't leave it at there though, right? No, 

Rene: we 

Sean: can't. We 

Rene: both know what we're gonna talk about next, 

Sean: Which is. Was made it to our top songs. Best of 25. 

Rene: Yep. 

Sean: Inexplicably.

She's out touring Tiger's Blood. She's, you know, she's been, you know, on the road for a long time. She goes full circle back to pre waxahatchee days, gets back with her sister, and releases snow caps. So I didn't know it was coming. Did you know it was coming? 

Rene: I did not, no. I don't even remember how I discovered it happened.

Sean: Well, I, I remember you, you just sent me, Hey, you should listen to [00:31:00] this with no context. And I'm like, wow, this is really good. I just put it on and we were listening to it, cooking dinner, and I'm like. It sounds really familiar, 

Rene: but I can't remember how I learned about it. I think it was probably uh, Instagram or Facebook or something.

Sean: So, you know, 13 songs, like it's half an hour, right? Yeah. Like, it's, it's a short little blast of 

Rene: perfect, of perfectness, 

Sean: of pop perfection. 

Rene: Right? 

Sean: This is a pop, 

Rene: pop perfection. 

Sean: Yep. And so again the Wilco festivals are so much fun. 

Rene: Shut up. 

Sean: But I gotta say how great it was. Saw Waxahatchee one day.

MJ Lendrum was playing with, uh, them. Brad Cook was playing bass in the Waxahatchee Band along with Spencer Tweedy. Great set. And then a couple days later snow caps played. 

Rene: Amazing. And you also saw Dinosaur Jr. No. 

Sean: Dinosaur Jr. Which one of your dog? [00:32:00] Yeah. Yola Tango. Oh yeah. Nice. The Jayhawks, you know, talking about original All Country.

Sure. Yeah. It was, it was a great little festival. I'm missing somebody that's important. Anne Wilco? Yeah. 

clip: Oh yeah, right. 

Sean: Yeah. They played two, yeah, they played three of the four nights. Yeah. How could I forget that? Yeah. But snow caps I think was a, a special treat. 

Rene: Nice. 

Sean: I don't know, like they're pop songs like this is completely different.

So if you wanna jump in and not understand the back catalog, then I think this could be a good place to start, 

Rene: right? 

Sean: Because they're just little pop socks. So, which one do you wanna hear off this? 

Rene: I mean, I like them all. I, I'm not prepared. 

Sean: Okay. Well, uh, um, in our best of episodes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I can't remember right now. I think we might've put you in rehab. So let's hear Heath Cliff [00:33:00] and if we played Heath Cliff before, it's worth hearing it again, listeners. Yeah, 

Rene: fair 

Sean: enough. Yeah, 

Rene: let's hear it. 

clip: Call me the longhaired cat in your window. Wait for you to get back. I don't miss you. I don't think about us.

It might be nothing. It's just kind of serendipitous. I'm running through traffic. Nailing up the penny. I'm working your name into every other sentence.

When you go down, you take me down, you and you go down. You take me down, you.

I'll be. The tunnel high speed train crash head on, send you straight to hell. I don't think about us. It might [00:34:00] be something, but we keep it inconspicuously laid out on the highway. I look the other way. Every time you walk in ignoring everything you say. 

Rene: Yeah. So you're so right, John. It's, it's just pure fun, pop in the best way possible.

That song is just, you're bopping your head, you're tapping your foot you're just along for the ride 

Sean: and the whole, the whole, the whole album. But like that, yeah, just little perfect little pop gems. 

Rene: Yeah. Now, lyrically, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but lyrically, did you dig in at all, or like, is it, is it, 

Sean: I, 

Rene: I think, 

Sean: no, I didn't, I mean, they're, they're just, you know, like.

C. And I should, you know, named after Weathering Heights, if there's some Yes. Heath Cliff. Yeah. Is it a metaphor, an allegory? What is the name? Maybe there's some, I don't think there's a lot of other h words. The so, but it's no literation. They're just so much fun. 

Rene: Yeah, yeah.

Agreed. [00:35:00] Agreed. 

Sean: Yeah. And the you in rehab I think is pretty fun too, that she's making light pop of, you know? And that was a special time 

Rene: you and rehab. Nice. 

Sean: Yeah. Okay, so I gotta ask you again. I asked you at the end of the MJ Linderman episode. How much are you looking forward to seeing them? Aren't we lucky again, my wife is seriously got us tickets.

Yeah. And now I get to come this time. 

Rene: Yeah. I guess That's cool, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so excited. Yeah, the MJ Letterman episode truly caught me flatfooted, and you could hear how excited I was about this concert coming up. So yeah, I am. Super psyched 

Sean: and it's less than a month away. It's amazing.

Rene: Less than a month away. 

Sean: They're a little over a month. 

Rene: Yeah. See? 

Sean: Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah. 

Rene: It made me sad. Again, have to listen to the first two albums of wax. 

Sean: You listen to all of the albums. 

Rene: Yeah, I can listen to all of them. 

Sean: All of them. 

Rene: But yeah, I am [00:36:00] super excited for that. I, it's gonna be amazing. 

Sean: Yeah. And so this is fun, like I gotta say, yeah. I asked you to do this, to talk about Waxahatchee because you introduced the band to me. That's kind of our, it was written rule episode. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna, it's your episode. Yeah, but I think it's. Pretty good the way it's turned out because, you know, she's become our band. 

Rene: Yeah. 

Sean: And

Rene: and that's why we did two episodes on her 

Sean: because we couldn't fit it into one.

That's right. Yeah. That's great. Um, 

Rene: Honestly, like the more I think about it, the more I think she is in my top like 20 bands of all time. Like she's really that good and I do go back to her quite often, 

Sean: but for all her popularity and all her critical, she's very well regarded. She, what's her listener?

What's her uh, popularity stats? 

Rene: That's a great question, Sean. It is around [00:37:00] 700,000. And here's the thing, man, like when I was at the concert with your wife, I vividly remember her, and this is a while ago, right? This is before we officially launched our podcast, and she said. I ca Renee, she is so incredible.

Her voice is so incredible alone. Her voice is so incredible, but her talent is just unbelievable. How come more people don't know about her? To which I replied? That's what your shifter is asking every single episode. 

Sean: So this is, you were thinking about it back then 

Rene: and I was literally like, Hey, who knows, we might even do an episode honor.

And that was, that was my point. 

Sean: And that's why this is your episode. 

Rene: Whatever, man. We always share music back and forth. 

Sean: Yeah. It is nice. Yes. And I hope, you know, I, you know, I, I am excited to see what. 2006 in the future brings for her because she's got such a [00:38:00] great voice and such a solid base that uh, 

Rene: what is she gonna do next, man?

Sean: Yeah. And so in addition to wondering what's gonna come next, I think it's also important to talk about what she just released. 'cause she just released a single with Courtney Barnett, 

Rene: which is pretty awesome 'cause we just did an episode on Courtney Barnett just a few episodes ago. 

Sean: Yeah. And it's a pretty good song.

Rene: Yeah. I actually like it quite a bit too, so. And we are still excited about hearing Courtney and Burnett's new album. 

Sean: Yeah. 

Rene: And if that's a hint and her tour, 

clip: so 

Rene: Yeah. Yeah. Fun. If that's the hint of it, that's gonna be good. Alright, I think we're good. Part two. Wax. Aha. You done Sean? What is coming up next?

What's gonna be on our next episode? 

Sean: So I would like to do a w adjacent band. 

Rene: W adjacent. Okay. 

Sean: But, uh, the next episode will be sponsored by a letter in the first half of the alphabet. 

Rene: Oh man. That does not narrow down at all. That is, that is a poor clue my friend. But we'll go with it. Okay. [00:39:00] 

Sean: Right. 

Rene: Until next time, 

Sean: see ya.

Rene: We hope you enjoyed this episode of your shifter. Tune in next time where we'll cover another band that deserves more. You can find Air shifter on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. Friend us or listen to our playlist on Spotify and visit air shifter.com for more information. Special thanks. Go to our logo designer Stuart Thorsby, and our intro outro music by Joe Novak.

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